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Post by ツイン スモール Urufu on Mar 23, 2024 7:06:43 GMT
So season 1 is over. I know I will watch this again many times.  |
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Mar 23, 2024 13:46:59 GMT
Wait, that's not Konosuba.
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Post by ツイン スモール Urufu on Mar 23, 2024 21:47:52 GMT
Wait, that's not Konosuba. Isekai isn't fantasy. |
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Mar 23, 2024 23:15:51 GMT
Wait, that's not Konosuba. Isekai isn't fantasy. Not to be defensive, but why not? |
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Post by BurntJello on Mar 24, 2024 0:08:53 GMT
So season 1 is over. I know I will watch this again many times. View AttachmentHa! I saw your post here and didn't even know it finished. So I finished it. I'm thinking 7/10. It's never really boring, has good pacing, has moments of awesome... but it's still far from great. It's pretty much right on the line between "above average" and "good". |
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Post by ツイン スモール Urufu on Mar 24, 2024 3:19:01 GMT
Not to be defensive, but why not? Because it's set in our world, not it's own. The protagonist (or at least main character) is a person of our world, and their thinking, experiences, the way they view other people and their morality is all based on our being able to self-insert into their position. It's a fantasy, but it's not fantasy. The point of the fantasy genre is to teach us about ourselves through the lives of others who are foreign to us. It's about the universal truths of the human condition, and discovering the richness and beauty of the life we have through an other universe. Isekai doesn't allow for that. It's about imagining "what would I do if I was transported to another world". It doesn't enrich you by being a mirror and allowing self-examination. Isekai is all about fulfilling desires, as opposed to having those desires exposed, examined, and understood. Now Isekai uses fantasy tropes, and is fantastical. But it's fantasy fulfillment and not Fantasy. |
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Post by Siegfried Witting on Apr 2, 2024 3:16:34 GMT
Not to be defensive, but why not? Because it's set in our world, not it's own. The protagonist (or at least main character) is a person of our world, and their thinking, experiences, the way they view other people and their morality is all based on our being able to self-insert into their position. It's a fantasy, but it's not fantasy. The point of the fantasy genre is to teach us about ourselves through the lives of others who are foreign to us. It's about the universal truths of the human condition, and discovering the richness and beauty of the life we have through an other universe. Isekai doesn't allow for that. It's about imagining "what would I do if I was transported to another world". It doesn't enrich you by being a mirror and allowing self-examination. Isekai is all about fulfilling desires, as opposed to having those desires exposed, examined, and understood. Now Isekai uses fantasy tropes, and is fantastical. But it's fantasy fulfillment and not Fantasy. This is something I've seen people not get about 40K if you excuse the rambling, alot of the harshness of the Imperium is by necessity of the setting yet Redditards will seethe and go le Imperium is le bad Attachments:
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Post by ツイン スモール Urufu on Apr 2, 2024 4:59:50 GMT
Because it's set in our world, not it's own. The protagonist (or at least main character) is a person of our world, and their thinking, experiences, the way they view other people and their morality is all based on our being able to self-insert into their position. It's a fantasy, but it's not fantasy. The point of the fantasy genre is to teach us about ourselves through the lives of others who are foreign to us. It's about the universal truths of the human condition, and discovering the richness and beauty of the life we have through an other universe. Isekai doesn't allow for that. It's about imagining "what would I do if I was transported to another world". It doesn't enrich you by being a mirror and allowing self-examination. Isekai is all about fulfilling desires, as opposed to having those desires exposed, examined, and understood. Now Isekai uses fantasy tropes, and is fantastical. But it's fantasy fulfillment and not Fantasy. This is something I've seen people not get about 40K if you excuse the rambling, alot of the harshness of the Imperium is by necessity of the setting yet Redditards will seethe and go le Imperium is le bad The only thing that annoys me about 40K is the lore authors' inability to scale numbers. But I have a simple rule of adding x10 6 at the end of any number and so multiplying everything they write about by a million. So a Legion of space marines is ten thousand million (a billion), and that makes the scale of a galactic-spanning empire and the wars they fight much more realistic. |
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Post by basednrd on Apr 2, 2024 15:10:29 GMT
Not to be defensive, but why not? Because it's set in our world, not it's own. The protagonist (or at least main character) is a person of our world, and their thinking, experiences, the way they view other people and their morality is all based on our being able to self-insert into their position. It's a fantasy, but it's not fantasy. The point of the fantasy genre is to teach us about ourselves through the lives of others who are foreign to us. It's about the universal truths of the human condition, and discovering the richness and beauty of the life we have through an other universe. Isekai doesn't allow for that. It's about imagining "what would I do if I was transported to another world". It doesn't enrich you by being a mirror and allowing self-examination. Isekai is all about fulfilling desires, as opposed to having those desires exposed, examined, and understood. Now Isekai uses fantasy tropes, and is fantastical. But it's fantasy fulfillment and not Fantasy. This is where I think shows like Slime, Re:Zero, Shield Bro and even Mushoku Tensei get the Isekai genre right, and why they're standouts. It's not about the OP protag wielding epic power and being epic for wish fulfillment, those stories show proper growth in the characters. There IS a certain amount of wish fulfillment within the fantasy tropes, sure, but there's self-reflection and a genuine desire of these MC's to do things differently. In the case of Shield Hero, it's more about revealing a side Naofumi didn't realize existed. He lived a relatively comfortable and apathetic life, expected everything in the other world to go right (bc that's what happens in Isekai), and when it didn't he acted like a petulant child in a lot of ways (although the false rape thing was really harsh; understandable he would turn out the way he did). Through friendship with others, and opening himself to the possibility of being hurt again, he was able to grow into the man he wouldn't have otherwise been able to in his world. But yes...you're correct. I would not classify Isekai as "fantasy", despite most Isekai being set in fantasy worlds. Rectangle is a square, square isn't a rectangle, right? |
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Post by basednrd on Apr 2, 2024 15:11:36 GMT
This is something I've seen people not get about 40K if you excuse the rambling, alot of the harshness of the Imperium is by necessity of the setting yet Redditards will seethe and go le Imperium is le bad The only thing that annoys me about 40K is the lore authors' inability to scale numbers. But I have a simple rule of adding x10 6 at the end of any number and so multiplying everything they write about by a million. So a Legion of space marines is ten thousand million (a billion), and that makes the scale of a galactic-spanning empire and the wars they fight much more realistic. Man....40k is one of those games I so badly want to get into, but I'm hampered by the high cost and the time sink (with 3 kids and basically 6 jobs it's hard to find animu time, let alone gaming time). It's easier to just...create my own TTRPG's, which is what I'm doing now for my "fun time" lol. |
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Post by ツイン スモール Urufu on Apr 3, 2024 8:32:56 GMT
Because it's set in our world, not it's own. The protagonist (or at least main character) is a person of our world, and their thinking, experiences, the way they view other people and their morality is all based on our being able to self-insert into their position. It's a fantasy, but it's not fantasy. The point of the fantasy genre is to teach us about ourselves through the lives of others who are foreign to us. It's about the universal truths of the human condition, and discovering the richness and beauty of the life we have through an other universe. Isekai doesn't allow for that. It's about imagining "what would I do if I was transported to another world". It doesn't enrich you by being a mirror and allowing self-examination. Isekai is all about fulfilling desires, as opposed to having those desires exposed, examined, and understood. Now Isekai uses fantasy tropes, and is fantastical. But it's fantasy fulfillment and not Fantasy. This is where I think shows like Slime, Re:Zero, Shield Bro and even Mushoku Tensei get the Isekai genre right, and why they're standouts. It's not about the OP protag wielding epic power and being epic for wish fulfillment, those stories show proper growth in the characters. There IS a certain amount of wish fulfillment within the fantasy tropes, sure, but there's self-reflection and a genuine desire of these MC's to do things differently. In the case of Shield Hero, it's more about revealing a side Naofumi didn't realize existed. He lived a relatively comfortable and apathetic life, expected everything in the other world to go right (bc that's what happens in Isekai), and when it didn't he acted like a petulant child in a lot of ways (although the false rape thing was really harsh; understandable he would turn out the way he did). Through friendship with others, and opening himself to the possibility of being hurt again, he was able to grow into the man he wouldn't have otherwise been able to in his world. But yes...you're correct. I would not classify Isekai as "fantasy", despite most Isekai being set in fantasy worlds. Rectangle is a square, square isn't a rectangle, right? Yeah, the rectangle/square thing is spot on. Isekai is its own genre for a reason, and it doesn't have to be trash. Just, it's not doing the same thing Fantasy is. |
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Apr 3, 2024 12:38:05 GMT
This is where I think shows like Slime, Re:Zero, Shield Bro and even Mushoku Tensei get the Isekai genre right, and why they're standouts. It's not about the OP protag wielding epic power and being epic for wish fulfillment, those stories show proper growth in the characters. There IS a certain amount of wish fulfillment within the fantasy tropes, sure, but there's self-reflection and a genuine desire of these MC's to do things differently. In the case of Shield Hero, it's more about revealing a side Naofumi didn't realize existed. He lived a relatively comfortable and apathetic life, expected everything in the other world to go right (bc that's what happens in Isekai), and when it didn't he acted like a petulant child in a lot of ways (although the false rape thing was really harsh; understandable he would turn out the way he did). Through friendship with others, and opening himself to the possibility of being hurt again, he was able to grow into the man he wouldn't have otherwise been able to in his world. But yes...you're correct. I would not classify Isekai as "fantasy", despite most Isekai being set in fantasy worlds. Rectangle is a square, square isn't a rectangle, right? Yeah, the rectangle/square thing is spot on. Isekai is its own genre for a reason, and it doesn't have to be trash. Just, it's not doing the same thing Fantasy is. I have to disagree with the premise of this. I think of Isekai as a subgenre. You can have a fantasy Isekai. You can have sci-fi Isekai. You could even have a SoL Isekai. I think things like "Fantasy" say more about the world structure than it does about the genre on this topic. For example, it's like I would call Frieren a Fantasy Drama much how I would call something a Fanatsy Isekai. |
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Post by BurntJello on Apr 4, 2024 3:17:55 GMT
This is where I think shows like Slime, Re:Zero, Shield Bro and even Mushoku Tensei get the Isekai genre right, and why they're standouts. It's not about the OP protag wielding epic power and being epic for wish fulfillment, those stories show proper growth in the characters. There IS a certain amount of wish fulfillment within the fantasy tropes, sure, but there's self-reflection and a genuine desire of these MC's to do things differently. In the case of Shield Hero, it's more about revealing a side Naofumi didn't realize existed. He lived a relatively comfortable and apathetic life, expected everything in the other world to go right (bc that's what happens in Isekai), and when it didn't he acted like a petulant child in a lot of ways (although the false rape thing was really harsh; understandable he would turn out the way he did). Through friendship with others, and opening himself to the possibility of being hurt again, he was able to grow into the man he wouldn't have otherwise been able to in his world. But yes...you're correct. I would not classify Isekai as "fantasy", despite most Isekai being set in fantasy worlds. Rectangle is a square, square isn't a rectangle, right? Yeah, the rectangle/square thing is spot on. Isekai is its own genre for a reason, and it doesn't have to be trash. Just, it's not doing the same thing Fantasy is. The Vision of Escaflowne Not trash. 90's anime <3 The person from our world is not an overpowered action hero. Shoujo romance mecha  And the soundtrack is 10/10! |
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Post by basednrd on Apr 4, 2024 14:44:43 GMT
Yeah, the rectangle/square thing is spot on. Isekai is its own genre for a reason, and it doesn't have to be trash. Just, it's not doing the same thing Fantasy is. The Vision of Escaflowne Not trash. 90's anime <3 The person from our world is not an overpowered action hero. Shoujo romance mecha And the soundtrack is 10/10! Man I haven't seen this in YEARS. I need to do a rewatch. Another one, not fantasy but 90's/00's mecha, is RahXephon. A lot of people called it the "better Evangelion", which (from a CPOV) is a legit statement. I still prefer Eva, but RahXephon is another fantastic series. |
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Post by BurntJello on Apr 5, 2024 2:57:30 GMT
The Vision of Escaflowne Not trash. 90's anime <3 The person from our world is not an overpowered action hero. Shoujo romance mecha And the soundtrack is 10/10! Man I haven't seen this in YEARS. I need to do a rewatch. Another one, not fantasy but 90's/00's mecha, is RahXephon. A lot of people called it the "better Evangelion", which (from a CPOV) is a legit statement. I still prefer Eva, but RahXephon is another fantastic series. RahXephon is actually pretty decent for an Eva-clone during the era of Eva-clones. (Eva 10/10, RahXephon 7/10) The big reveal on the mysterious girl... I never would have guessed. I'm long overdue for a rewatch of that one. |
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