|
Post by beoran on Oct 29, 2024 10:57:54 GMT
As of lately I am feeling a bit disappointed on Christians on X as well. Some from the Roman church are fanatic about the popes, aome Orthodox are in denial about how much additional nonsense they added to the original teachings, and the protestants protest things which are not problems at all, or keep going about salvation by faith only. All whilst fighting each other. The corruption and disunity is what eventually allowed wokeness to win for this day at least.
I guess me wanting to throw away 1800 years of history and return to the Bible and Didache with only localized churches won't make me popular in any camp. I believe prayer, fasting, and "works of faith" are more important than unsolvable theological debates. Now we just see like in a dark bronze mirror, God will teach us in His time.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Oct 29, 2024 11:08:10 GMT
I think the bigger issue is that a lot of churches only teach superficial level doctrine, the milk, rather than solid food. This leaves people with a limited understanding and relying on tradition rather than scripture.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Oct 29, 2024 23:00:57 GMT
Did anyone catch the Vatican's anime girl mascot, Luce? I don't think anything is wrong with it, but I think trying to be hip to get people can be a problem.
|
|
|
Post by beoran on Oct 30, 2024 12:21:29 GMT
Yeah it is all over X and the Catholics, Japanese, Weebs, Anime lovers, all like it while of course some Protestants and Japan or Anime haters dislike it. I think it is a smart marketing strategy, and looks cute, but also a distraction from a church that is "blessing" pederasts, removed the Holy water from the fonts for fear of the Wu flu, and recommend the death peck. Vigiano is kind of right on this, although his insistence they didn't kick him out validly is comical. He should be proud to be branded a heretic by the state religion, like Christ was Himself by the leaders of His state religion. A related topic is the point about graven images. Last year I returned to my home country and visited many churches and prayed a lot. But in chapels full of statues the prayers have no effect because the statues are distracting. On the other hand if it is a tall, spacious church with only a few statues to the side, but with a Holy water font, real incense, candles, an altar lamp, some soft organ music, a glass in lead with non too figurative depictions such as a cross... now that is just right to feel the Divine Presence. We have a large part of the old testament describing how to make the Temple, and it should be of shiny bronze, good wood, silver, gold, lamps of olive oil, and lots of incense, all to help feel the Divine Presence without resorting to graven images (i.e statues). Catholic churches tend to err too much to one side of being too statuesque, and Protestant ones too much to the other, to be almost barren. Unfortunately Catholic churches in Japan tend to be disappointing close to Protestant ones. I have seen Shinto shines with lit candles, but no Japanese churches with lit candles so far.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Oct 30, 2024 12:55:22 GMT
>all to help feel the Divine Presence
I think this is misguided. Nowhere in scripture does it talk about "feeling" God. Rather, it talks about having faith. There are guidelines for the temple in scripture, but as scripture also teaches us, due to Christ, our bodies are a temple for the Spirit.
> Luce
I think it's good marketing. Pixiv is also showing a lot of Luce art. I do think there's a bit of concern about her becoming an idol. I did see the image showing what each part represents, which is nice.
There's nothing I see objectively wrong with it. Something just seems a bit off and it might just be in my mind/paranoia.
|
|
|
Post by beoran on Oct 30, 2024 15:55:09 GMT
Hmmm, feeling might indeed not be correct, because it is much more than that. It is more about the Presence of God, Christ and especially the Holy Spirit as described in the Psalms (such as 55 for example), or as suggested at the end of Jude 1. Which comes from faith, but also prayer, and for which the old testament Temple attributes are helpful. At least they definitely help me. Maybe my body isn't yet very Temple like yet, so I still need some external support. But let's not get into theological discussions that could divide us. With God everything is personal and our experiences will differ.
As for Luce, I am a bit surprised that the character got such a response with almost everyone who can drawing their own version. If they can draw that they should perhaps try to collaborate to draw the New Testament in Anime style in stead.
I did once see some YouTube of an Asian man licking the feet of a life size cartboard cut out of an anime girl. That is really idolatry, but from this example, we can see that God has forbidden idolatry for our benefit. The guy didn't seem to realize how much he humiliated himself. But the rage about Luce characters doesn't seem to go that far so I think God will use it to help propagate His Will also here on Earth.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Oct 30, 2024 16:25:33 GMT
>feelings
The presence of God is factual and not based on feeling. Perhaps we may sense/be inclined to the presence of God. However, I wouldn't say that a lack of feedback means a lack of presence. I see people get hung up on "feeling" God a lot, when it's not necessary. Then, they attribute that lack of feeling (living by sight not faith), as a lack of presence/closeness.
I would say, even if our temples are imperfect (they are), they are credited as perfect by the blood of Jesus. So, while we do not deserve the Spirit, He does dwell within believers.
>Luce
I see some people jumping to Luce = Lucifer, but I don't see much evidence for such a claim. Her friends' names are even faith, hope, little saint, and Sky. So, I don't see much harm. The character was designed by a pro-gay company, but that doesn't mean this character is inherently evil. Will this campaign help bring anyone to Christ? I hope so. I just hope it doesn't take the focus off of Jesus.
|
|
|
Post by beoran on Oct 30, 2024 22:38:17 GMT
Well it is so that God is present with His people, even if they cannot feel Him. Like the sun is hidden behind the clouds. Those "clouds" are mostly due to daily concerns for this world. We can't all be monks or nuns.
The link between Luce and Lucifer is only semantic, light versus light bearer. I didn't know the character was designed by pederasts, which is a lot more concerning. They likely already made the porn versions too...
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Oct 31, 2024 11:12:36 GMT
A lot of people have made loli porn versions of the character, which is to be expected of them. However, that just openly demonstrates their contempt for the Lord. Perhaps some people will look into Christianity because of this campaign...even if I disagree with the RCC on a ton (former Catholic).
|
|
|
Post by beoran on Oct 31, 2024 22:43:48 GMT
I was also baptized in a Roman church, and I think they lost the right to be called "Catholic" around the time of Constantine. While the good emperor had a view to unify Christianity the effect was to empover it and turn it into a state religion, which Christ nor the apostles intended. Once I found the Didache I became aware of the intended way: localized churches, like the 7 first ones in the Revelation.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Nov 1, 2024 3:51:37 GMT
I disagree that the church shouldn't be at the forefront of governments. After all, there's no authority without God. Also, there was no issue doing so for the Hebrews.
|
|
|
Post by beoran on Nov 1, 2024 10:54:16 GMT
A religious state is not a state religion. I would say the former is good and the latter is not good since it often leads to abuses of power, and oppression. The Sanhedrin was the state religion of Judea...
Or said otherwise it is good to have princes who submit themselves to God and lead by example. Our Lord, while He sometimes did lash out in anger, did never convert anyone by force. The same cannot be said of certain other founders of certain religions.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Nov 1, 2024 13:06:44 GMT
I don't see a real differentiation between a religious state and a state religion if the state religion is righteous. In both cases it can be abused. In both, it influences the laws. In both, it should influence the leaders in the same way.
|
|
|
Post by beoran on Nov 2, 2024 4:40:15 GMT
Only God is truly righteous. We can and should try but the large majority will mess up eventually. That's why we need decentralization in everything. To avoid too much power in the hands of one person and to limit the damage.
But I agree that anyone who has a leadership position needs a moral guideline.
|
|
|
Post by Liquid_Boss on Nov 2, 2024 14:05:01 GMT
In terms of the distribution of authority, the centralization of it is just as dangerous as splitting it apart. Much like how any one ruler could be bad, the more you have, the higher chance there is of getting bad ones. I see the point in decentralizing, though.
|
|