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Post by beoran on Jun 15, 2024 2:18:46 GMT
It seems like we never get Japanese myth anime. Where 's my lunar Kaguya anime? Where's my Izanami/Izanagi amine? There is quite a lot of it in Japan in Japanese. It just doesn't tend to get translated. Greek mythology is also often used though.
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Jun 15, 2024 5:10:46 GMT
It seems like we never get Japanese myth anime. Where 's my lunar Kaguya anime? Where's my Izanami/Izanagi amine? There is quite a lot of it in Japan in Japanese. It just doesn't tend to get translated. Greek mythology is also often used though. Do you have any examples of some good mythological anime? I can't think of any revolving around Japanese legends.
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Post by Siegfried Witting on Jun 15, 2024 6:13:58 GMT
It seems like we never get Japanese myth anime. Where 's my lunar Kaguya anime? Where's my Izanami/Izanagi amine? It's not never... View AttachmentFound a redraw of that (artist did a good gif of Passionlip is how I found it) lol Attachments:
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Post by beoran on Jun 15, 2024 7:33:22 GMT
There is quite a lot of it in Japan in Japanese. It just doesn't tend to get translated. Greek mythology is also often used though. Do you have any examples of some good mythological anime? I can't think of any revolving around Japanese legends. I am more of a gamer so Loop8 www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/loop8-summer-of-gods-switch/ is pure Japanese mythology in an 1980ies Japan. For manga I could find this website that is all about the mythology kojiki.co/nihonshinwa/episode02.htmlThis is an example of a free animated manga It is more like the material is everywhere here in Japan, yet somewhat low key. What strikes me is that according to Japanese mythology in the beginning there was one God who became three Gods. We see the same pattern also in certain African mythologies. The Trinity is known to many people. What strikes me more however now that I am living in Japan is how religious almost everyone outside of Tokyo is. Sure Christianity is less popular, but Buddhism and Shinto are extremely popular. We have a lot of mythological references in many video games, but unlike Greek mythology Japanese people still revere the kami. I personally believe that some of the angels who left heaven when earth was created were not evil, and these ended up being revered as the good gods by the ancient peoples. The demons were recognized by the ancients as well, sometimes conflated with the giants. Here is a drawing of Izanami by a shrine that reveres her.
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Jun 15, 2024 16:12:43 GMT
Isn't the relationship between the Japanese and their "gods" more of a lip service type of thing? Like they "believe in them," but it's really more what they feel they represent? Or is that more of a Tokyo thing?
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Post by beoran on Jun 15, 2024 23:15:26 GMT
Well the Japanese in the big cities, except for Kyoto, tend to be less religious. And there are also quite a few people who consider Shinto more like a tradition than a religion. And even if the feeling is religious, the goal often is to obtain benefits for this world. Buddhism on the other hand is more seen as related to death and the next life.
But it is a bit too simple to call this just lip service. So many Japanese visit the Shinyo shrines and Buddhist temples and pray earnestly there. Quite a few also have a home altar wherer they pray daily. And more than that, when one if my wife's friends daughter caught turbo cancer(you know why), that young woman had herself baptized a Christian and married her boyfriend in Church before she died of it. Lord have mercy on her soul, (although I am not too worried, she did right and is likely to be saved) but it shows how earnestly religious the Japanese can be.
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Jun 15, 2024 23:55:08 GMT
Perhaps their highly structured society lends itself to these practices, even if they don't wholeheartedly believe them. I guess you could say they're somewhat ritualistic.
However, it's great to hear that she came to Christ before she died. It goes to show, even after a whole life of being away from God, the invitation and grace is there to the end.
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Post by beoran on Jun 16, 2024 0:05:00 GMT
Perhaps their highly structured society lends itself to these practices, even if they don't wholeheartedly believe them. I guess you could say they're somewhat ritualistic. However, it's great to hear that she came to Christ before she died. It goes to show, even after a whole life of being away from God, the invitation and grace is there to the end. I would rather say the Japanese are more practical than theoretical. This might seem ritualistic but for the Japanese life is more about what you do than what you believe. I was actually surprised that she even heard of Christ, many Japanese ignore Him. May His mercy be on us all.
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Jun 16, 2024 8:01:36 GMT
Perhaps their highly structured society lends itself to these practices, even if they don't wholeheartedly believe them. I guess you could say they're somewhat ritualistic. However, it's great to hear that she came to Christ before she died. It goes to show, even after a whole life of being away from God, the invitation and grace is there to the end. I would rather say the Japanese are more practical than theoretical. This might seem ritualistic but for the Japanese life is more about what you do than what you believe. I was actually surprised that she even heard of Christ, many Japanese ignore Him. May His mercy be on us all. Unfortunately, due to the influence of the Mormons, a lot of Japanese have the heretical Mormon view of Jesus. It doesn't help that that aligns with shinto/buddhism.
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Post by Siegfried Witting on Jun 16, 2024 8:42:47 GMT
I would rather say the Japanese are more practical than theoretical. This might seem ritualistic but for the Japanese life is more about what you do than what you believe. I was actually surprised that she even heard of Christ, many Japanese ignore Him. May His mercy be on us all. Unfortunately, due to the influence of the Mormons, a lot of Japanese have the heretical Mormon view of Jesus. It doesn't help that that aligns with shinto/buddhism. I had no idea Mormonism had influence there, it's a mainly American thing I thought, Also what is the distinction with Jesus with Mormonism? Attachments:
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Post by beoran on Jun 16, 2024 10:39:54 GMT
Yes unfortunately there are quite a few churches which are not really about Christ, but about making money for the church leaders. It is not just Mormonism, but also Moonism and the Jehovah witnesses. And churches are somewhat thinly spread in Japan. Lucky it seems the girl in question went to an average protestant church which is good enough I think.
I am myself a reactionary "pre Nicene heretic" in that I think that Christianity was severely damaged once it became the Roman state religion at the Nicene synod, and I reject any ideas from that time and after. Apart from the Gospel I base myself on the Didache of the Apostles which is just as old as the New Testament, and also on the evangely of Thomas.
So I will not be quick to call churches heretic, but these churches teach new things which were never taught 1800 years ago. Like 1800 years ago, a Christian is one who believes in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but these churches often assign a lesser status to Christ which is an error. And it it is definitely a grave sin to sell Christ as they do. The Didache also clearly forbids such practices, as well as teaching anything new as these churches also do.
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Jun 16, 2024 15:21:43 GMT
Unfortunately, due to the influence of the Mormons, a lot of Japanese have the heretical Mormon view of Jesus. It doesn't help that that aligns with shinto/buddhism. I had no idea Mormonism had influence there, it's a mainly American thing I thought, Also what is the distinction with Jesus with Mormonism? After Japan outlawed Christianity, Mormons made it back over there in the early 1900s. They believe that Jesus and the Father are two different beings, and that there was a time when Jesus did not exist. They basically put us on par with Jesus- saying we were always existing the way He was and that we will become all knowing and omniscient (ie. becoming a god). This doesn't differ too far from the Buddhist idea of "ascending."
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Post by beoran on Jun 16, 2024 22:22:32 GMT
Originally Buddha only taught about suffering and enlightenment as the cessation of suffering. Mormonism teaches many things that were not taught in the 1st century. I think there isn't that much similarity between these two.
Just that these money worshipping churches were quicker to get active in Japan than more honest churches, especially because the they had more starting capital.
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Post by Liquid_Boss on Jun 17, 2024 3:39:20 GMT
Originally Buddha only taught about suffering and enlightenment as the cessation of suffering. Mormonism teaches many things that were not taught in the 1st century. I think there isn't that much similarity between these two. Just that these money worshipping churches were quicker to get active in Japan than more honest churches, especially because the they had more starting capital. >Originally It's way past that. It's accepted generally that there's an ascension aspect to Buddhism with reincarnation. It's the same with Mormonism and ascending to be basically a god. In general, that ties to a gnostic root, which ties back to the original lie.
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Post by beoran on Jun 17, 2024 4:08:39 GMT
Well there are many branches of Buddhism but ascension to become a god is more Hinduism. I read the gnostic evangely of Marion and it is actually not that far from that of Luke. The main difference is that they seemed to believe Christ was not born as a human but directly descended from Heaven. The first gnostics had difficulties with accepting that Jesus was also human. It didn't always amount to teaching we were gods though. That was likely more a Stoic teaching. Anyhow, I think the appeal of Mormonism in Japan is more due to the unfamiliarity of most people with Christ. There was even a lawyer who claimed he could channel Christ and who made his own religion en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Science . That would not fly anywhere else but in Japan, but I have seen this guy's temples in prominent locations, more than I can find real churches.
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